tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post1350460640392715564..comments2024-03-02T15:23:18.091-05:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: Replication, but no VerificationKDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-84235849124903416442010-10-11T20:44:30.289-04:002010-10-11T20:44:30.289-04:00Downes,
The fact that this will only cost $200 mi...Downes,<br /><br />The fact that this will only cost $200 million dollars means that if it doesn't succeed, its proponents will say, "The trials prove nothing. We didn't spend nearly enough to make a difference."<br /><br />It's Model Cities all over again.Roger Sweenyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12734128265493099062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-66938493931549352772010-10-11T17:17:28.367-04:002010-10-11T17:17:28.367-04:00Follow the money. If you look at the abstracts of...Follow the money. If you look at the abstracts of the grants, there is no "replication" other than in the rhetoric. HCZ is highly subsidized and highly publicized.<br /><br />The grants are puny and partial--most are foreplay with the expectation that much larger federal funding will be forthcoming. The chances of that happening are slim to none.<br /> <br />The HCZ logic is analogous to the belief that not only can "education" meet children's "instructional needs, it can and must meet their health needs and their "social needs" The net result is overlapping bureaucracies with no personal responsibility--as Ken explains in some detail. Instruction remains a black box, which for some kids is a black hole.<br /><br />Sell short on this one.Dick Schutzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09815175767173164494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-91306676959402400372010-10-11T13:28:34.750-04:002010-10-11T13:28:34.750-04:00I've read Dobbie and Fryer's HCZ report, a...I've read Dobbie and Fryer's HCZ report, and, despite its authors' several conjectural qualifiers, found the same information and arrived at the same conclusions. So I too was confused that the whole package is being replicated when the school treatment--independent from the community treatment--seems to be the trigger for improved student achievement. I certainly understand the reasoning for the inclusive language used in the analysis--the researchers would clearly like to see the whole thing implemented across the board because it agrees with their politics. But, politics and well-meaning aside, the data doesn't support it, and we do best to replicate the parts of treatments that are shown to be effective, not the parts that confirm the null hypothesis.<br /><br />Having said that, I'll admit I <i>was</i> tempted to simply not read or misunderstand the point of this post in order to be the first to insult you in the comments. Maybe next time!Jared Steinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08624878877207159349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-68509184198891733082010-10-11T11:27:39.531-04:002010-10-11T11:27:39.531-04:00Replication *IS* verification.
Only when a proper...<i>Replication *IS* verification.</i><br /><br />Only when a properly constructed experimental design is in place and there is no indication that that will be done with the grants.<br /><br />I agree that that's what should be done, but it isn't.<br /><br /><i>Far better to run a trial than to simply listen to the relentlessly negative aspersions cast by a patently unqualified education blogger.</i><br /><br />I just report the data; it's not my fault the data doesn't support your worldview..KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-49441117042198855952010-10-11T10:19:05.949-04:002010-10-11T10:19:05.949-04:00Replication *IS* verification.
If there's not...Replication *IS* verification.<br /><br />If there's nothing to Canada's approach, and if the BBB approach is all smoke and mirrors, this trial in 21 communities will tell us. And it will cost only $200 million (which is a small fraction of the overall education budget).<br /><br />Far better to run a trial than to simply listen to the relentlessly negative aspersions cast by a patently unqualified education blogger.Stephen Downeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06140591903467372209noreply@blogger.com