tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post2800528896373131488..comments2024-03-26T14:44:37.985-04:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: InsuranceKDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-61588054405561252162009-10-18T09:00:39.876-04:002009-10-18T09:00:39.876-04:00I don't think there is a difference between ab...I don't think there is a difference between abstraction and higher order concept. Both are defined by features which aren't readily observable. I use higher order to distinguihs between basic sensory concept whose feature(s) is readily observable. Both are abstract.KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-7043919482102879352009-10-16T19:55:19.761-04:002009-10-16T19:55:19.761-04:00Yeah, I'm still waiting for the dinosaur shoe ...Yeah, I'm still waiting for the dinosaur shoe to drop, but this was a good explanation. What's the difference between a "higher order concept" and an "abstraction?" I don't think there is one. "Higher order" is honorific. How high is "high?" What's "above" and "below" this "higher order concepts.<br /><br />"Insurance" has real world reference. I marked the same keyed response that Mikethelawstudent did. But I didn't have the precise knowledge of "contract" that Mike has.<br /><br />Where EdLand gets into trouble is with REIFIED abstractions like "comprehension," "problem solving," and "critical thinking" that can't be taught as such.<br /><br />I once thought that "problem solving" could be taught, because that's what I'd been taught. This happened to be at a moment in time, when cost wasn't a limiting factor for educational R&D (That didn't last long). We were able to hire the "best minds in the country from the best universities in the country" None of them were able to come up with instruction that amounted to anything more than stunts. After 3 years, we concluded that kids' biggest problem to solve was school itself. So we folded the tent on the wild goose chance, and came down to earth.<br /><br />The thing that distinguishes experts like you and Mike with respect to law, from non-lawyers like me, is that you guys have a well-defined structure of Technical Lexicon that the rest of us lack. <br /><br />This holds for instruction from preschool to graduate school, but the structure isn't well-defined and doesn't get well-defined until upper-division college and graduate school. So teachers don't know what they're teaching and how it fits into what came before or will come after. And kids don't know either. They're just going through the motions.<br /><br />One of the merits of DI is that it makes the path explicit. There are other ways of doing this, but that's a whole nother story, and I want to hear the dinosaur story.Dick Schutzhttp://ssrn.com/author=1199505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-70246172454258732032009-10-15T11:45:50.287-04:002009-10-15T11:45:50.287-04:00You touch on fascinating features of the epistemol...You touch on fascinating features of the epistemological concept of words. In for communication you have to have some sort of agreement as to the meaning. So if you say "insurance" and my attachment of meaning is something different than yours than we have not communicated. I am finding that this happens to me more and more. I am currently in lawschool and contract now has a different meaning to me than most people. I now "know" that in order for a contract you have to have offer, acceptance and consideration (something exchanged) so that the promise cannot possibly be insurance (if insurance is necessarily a contract). But others wouldnt have that definition... anyway I like your post.<br /><br />Mike<br /><br /><a href="http://www.topekacityofcharacter.com" rel="nofollow">CHARACTER EDUCATION KANSAS</a>Mikethelawstudenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09635776361535851712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-61737538385361795222009-10-14T15:06:20.422-04:002009-10-14T15:06:20.422-04:00Thank you. That example is helpful.Thank you. That example is helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com