tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post3043924295707328542..comments2024-03-26T14:44:37.985-04:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: $24,606KDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-32096968618848529892008-04-21T04:20:00.000-04:002008-04-21T04:20:00.000-04:00Thanks for explaining Corey. The big gainers in te...Thanks for explaining Corey. The big gainers in terms of share of GDP spent over the last few decades have been healthcare and the elderly.Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08999246551652981965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-30601373820495483332008-04-20T21:51:00.000-04:002008-04-20T21:51:00.000-04:00If things are dropping in price relative to GDP th...If things are dropping in price relative to GDP then the country has more discretionary income and that money must be going somewhere (and we know it's not being saved). So this extra money is being spent on something -- and it's not education, relatively speaking. An argument can be made that it should or shouldn't be spent on education, but it's interesting and informative to look at things in different ways regardless.Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-81184720234792446852008-04-20T15:51:00.000-04:002008-04-20T15:51:00.000-04:00But we don't see the same rise in spending if we d...<I>But we don't see the same rise in spending if we do it as a percent of GDP. </I><BR/><BR/>Your point being?Tracy Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08999246551652981965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-52611812569477609682008-04-19T19:56:00.000-04:002008-04-19T19:56:00.000-04:00"But we don't see the same rise in spending if we ..."<I>But we don't see the same rise in spending if we do it as a percent of GDP.</I>"<BR/><BR/>I think the point is that keeping the cost of something steady (after adjusting for quality and quantity) in terms of percent of GDP is unusual. *MOST* things are dropping (which is why we are richer than we were back then).<BR/><BR/><BR/>-Mark RouloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-26305539198971094802008-04-19T01:45:00.000-04:002008-04-19T01:45:00.000-04:00But we don't see the same rise in spending if we d...But we don't see the same rise in spending if we do it as a percent of GDP. Look here: http://www.edpolicythoughts.com/2008/04/has-education-spending-really.html<BR/><BR/>Since 1940 our country has spent just spent just under a dollar per pupil for every billion dollars in GDP almost every single year (there was a drop during WWII).Corey Bunje Bowerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09764159604965707919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-1875491438535458322008-04-17T15:52:00.000-04:002008-04-17T15:52:00.000-04:00"Has any other product or service doubled in price..."<I>Has any other product or service doubled in price since then [1970]?</I>"<BR/><BR/>Major league baseball ticket prices are up about 66% in real terms since 1970. My guess is that a good place to look for a double is in luxury goods. Housing doesn't have a double, once you adjust for quality differences (especially house size).<BR/><BR/>Movie prices, surprisingly, haven't gone up in real terms (but the official data *does* look suspicious ... I suspect that Matinees and rural prices are lower than what I see).<BR/><BR/>I don't even know how to measure medicine. The quality of 1970s medicine was so much lower than 2008 medicine (arthroscopic surgery, for example).<BR/><BR/>-Mark Roulo<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>1970 to 2007 inflation factor is 5.6x.<BR/><BR/>Movie tickets are a no.<BR/>-----------------------<BR/>Average movie ticket price in 1971 was $1.65.<BR/>Average movie ticket price in 2007 was $6.88.<BR/>http://www.natoonline.org/statisticstickets.htm<BR/><BR/><BR/>Housing prices are almost a yes.<BR/>--------------------------------<BR/>Average house price in 1970: $26,600.00<BR/>Average house price in 2004: $313,300.00<BR/>Aha: 11x for houses, versus just 5.6x for inflation.<BR/>However, it looks like the average house<BR/>went from 1,400 square feet in 1970 to about<BR/>2,300 square feet recently. This, plus better<BR/>insulation, standard A/C etc. probably mean<BR/>that equivalent houses are not twice what they<BR/>were in 1970<BR/><BR/><BR/>Average baseball ticket prices are almost a double<BR/>-------------------------------------------------<BR/>1970: $2.72<BR/>2002: $17.85<BR/>2008: $25.40<BR/>http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/haupert.mlb<BR/>http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080330/SPT0401/803300436/1072/SPT0103<BR/><BR/>25.40 vs. 2.72 is 9.33 versus 5.6<BR/>is a 66% rise in "real" pricesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-24800649912803340532008-04-17T12:56:00.000-04:002008-04-17T12:56:00.000-04:00I remember we complained for months when cigarette...I remember we complained for months when cigarette machines went up from $0.35 to $0.50 a pack.rightwingprofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419372059353408855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-83276154072691160912008-04-16T16:17:00.000-04:002008-04-16T16:17:00.000-04:00To the best of my knowledge, a large portion of th...To the best of my knowledge, a large portion of the money spent on DC public schools students goes to special education students. <BR/><BR/>Part of this is due to the large amount of outsourcing DC does: it sends its SpEd students to private schools, rather than educating them within the school system, which I understand is generally cheaper (no comment on the effectiveness/quality of either method).<BR/><BR/>DC pays for many special education students to attend private schools (designed for special education). I think I remember seeing a figure that special education students make up about 7% of the student population in DC, but account for about 18% of the spending.<BR/><BR/>I'm interested in seeing numbers for how much money is being spent on non-special education students in the DC system - e.g., the ones actually attended the DC schools. Also, how much is going to school buildings, teachers and supplies - and how much goes to Central Administration?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-45453478417423156742008-04-16T12:56:00.000-04:002008-04-16T12:56:00.000-04:00Just a nitpick: as far as I can tell, the source o...Just a nitpick: as far as I can tell, the source of the spreadsheet and the data on it comes from NCES, not the US Census...Brett Pawlowskihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12975091738110736912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-14599367678106751652008-04-16T12:26:00.000-04:002008-04-16T12:26:00.000-04:00You'd be hard pressed to find real data that suppo...You'd be hard pressed to find real data that supports that argument.KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-26942441859226206362008-04-16T12:22:00.000-04:002008-04-16T12:22:00.000-04:00Spending over time is interesting, but I think you...Spending over time is interesting, but I think you also have to consider where the spending goes. Even though there's always room to improve, I'm pretty sure that we're getting significantly better output than in the past, both in overall student performance and subgroups like special education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-10940437974353819062008-04-16T11:19:00.000-04:002008-04-16T11:19:00.000-04:00Crunching the candy bar numbers is easy. Check ou...Crunching the candy bar numbers is easy. Check out this <A HREF="http://www.westegg.com/inflation/" REL="nofollow">inflation calculator</A>.<BR/><BR/>For example, a candy bar that cost 20 cents back in 1975, actually cost 79 cents in 2005 once inflation is adjusted for. This means that if you were eating your 0.20 candy bar in 1975 it was the same price in 2005. If our public schools were making and selling the candybars with the same efficiency that the educate, you'd be paying double, about $1.58, for the same candybar. Eat up.KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-32329125475910014452008-04-16T10:59:00.000-04:002008-04-16T10:59:00.000-04:00Have you crunched the numbers on candy bars? When...Have you crunched the numbers on candy bars? When I was a kid, a convenience store Hershey bar was $0.20 (I remember being unhappy when it rose to a quarter!). Last time I was in a 7-11 it was more like $0.79. Obviously you can still sometimes find sale prices at grocery stores. I guess you can find discount education some places too....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com