tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post865063060454883909..comments2024-03-26T14:44:37.985-04:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: A plan for failureKDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-87820384827780190132007-07-21T14:35:00.000-04:002007-07-21T14:35:00.000-04:00this is totally off topic, but thought it was righ...this is totally off topic, but thought it was right up your alley. I thought you might be interested in reading <A HREF="http://teacherleaders.typepad.com/the_tempered_radical/2007/07/sparks-surround.html" REL="nofollow">this</A>. Mike's comments are particularly egregious in my humble opinion.ms-teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07800541997565774872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-55206722804562748502007-07-20T10:19:00.000-04:002007-07-20T10:19:00.000-04:00Then the greater funding would be a sop to the com...Then the greater funding would be a sop to the complainers since the stats make it clear that funding != results.<BR/><BR/>In fact, if there aren't measurable benefits from increasing funding then funding, and the taxes that generate the funding, should be reduced. After all, if greater funding doesn't mean better results then less funding is unlikely to produce lesser results so why not leave the money in the hands of local home-owners and business owners where it <I>will</I> do some good?<BR/><BR/>And while the idea that higher-cost urban-area school buildings are likely to require more maintenance dollars is credible it's important to remember that all expenditures in a public school district are the result of political compromises. With that in mind, who speaks for the buildings?allenmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02892084607361361603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-79186560106489132132007-07-20T02:00:00.000-04:002007-07-20T02:00:00.000-04:00Just to play devil's advocate, one could legitimat...Just to play devil's advocate, one could legitimately claim that schools which primarily serve minorities <I>should</I> get more funding to compensate for less-educated parents or fewer external resources at their disposal.Independent Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14559237565237736636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-76641288233299989742007-07-18T22:57:00.000-04:002007-07-18T22:57:00.000-04:00I've done the same thing for Ohio (over 600 distri...I've done the same thing for Ohio (over 600 districts) with about the same results. But look at the upper left and lower right boundaries of the data point spread. Each of these trends upward in performace with greater spending. So, among the state's most efficient districts, more money correlates with higher achievement. Among the state's least efficient districts, more money correlates with higher achievement. Now the question becomes: "why are state taxes raised to fund a 'thorough and efficient system' of public schools going to demostrably inefficient districts?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-47134785466167842582007-07-18T13:56:00.000-04:002007-07-18T13:56:00.000-04:00Robert I'll dig up the excel spreadsheet that cont...Robert I'll dig up the excel spreadsheet that contains the data I painstakingly copied from S&P's schoolmatters.<BR/><BR/>Sailoerman, your point is well taken and my nomenclature was a bit sloppy. However, I did use instructional expenditures (the money that actually reaches the classrooms) in the graph. If I recall correctly, using total expenditures yielding pretty much the same correlation. Also, I've heard froma few people that schools sometimes goose the instructional numbers so that using total expenditures yields a more accurate result. Go figure.KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-13191120111979249762007-07-18T13:39:00.000-04:002007-07-18T13:39:00.000-04:00that's a good post.Obviously the issue of "total f...that's a good post.<BR/><BR/>Obviously the issue of "total funding" is only part of the equation. <BR/><BR/>Here's an extreme hypothetical: School A is in an older high-maintenance building with poorly designed classrooms, in an area where costs are extremely high<BR/><BR/>School B is a new school with well designed classrooms, good <I>built in</I> electronics, in a low cost area.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, finding them equally wil give A less to spend on education than it will give B.<BR/><BR/>I have heard folks allege that inner city schools are much more expensive to run, as they're in older buildings, etc. I don't know how true that is. I'd be extremely curious to find atistics that account for things like capital costs, cost of living (which affects teachers) etc. Have you seen such a thing?sailormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14955289920163298760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-53901841896882838192007-07-18T11:09:00.000-04:002007-07-18T11:09:00.000-04:00Very good post. These hard stats need more airplay...Very good post. These hard stats need more airplay than they are getting. <BR/><BR/>Could you give a link to the source for the data you plotted? I'd love to use this in my Quantitative Reasoning class. You can email it to me directly if you want (castingout9s [at] gmail [dot] com). <BR/><BR/>Manual trackback: <BR/>http://www.castingoutnines.net/?p=847Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com