tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post3514698782285077485..comments2023-05-14T05:55:12.604-04:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: No Discernible EffectsKDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-77446471938441896132006-11-15T08:54:00.000-05:002006-11-15T08:54:00.000-05:00"Made much more sense to him than the Connected Ma..."Made much more sense to him than the Connected Math his middle school was using. I have to admit I am surprised."<br /><br />This is not surprising for mathematicians, engineers, and scientists. As an engineer, what I find surprising is that CMP exists in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-54587574402656924522006-11-15T07:48:00.000-05:002006-11-15T07:48:00.000-05:00The ""potentially positive effects" is ridiculous....The ""potentially positive effects" is ridiculous. That rating is based on three studies having statistically insignificant effects. There was one study conducted by an affiliated researcher that won't releases his data ...<br /><br />These results are consistent with a program that doesn't work any better than traditional programs.<br /><br />The Saxon research did show statistically (and educationaly) significant effects for computation, problem solving, and algebra, but overall performance in math was not improved.<br /><br />This is not to say that Saxon (or Everyday Math) aren't the greatest things since sliced bread, just that their effectiveness hasn't been proven via research yet.<br /><br /><i>What does the WWC say about Connecting Math Concepts or Reading Mastery? Does the WWC like them?</i><br /><br />Neither have been evaluated yet by the WWC. No doubt RM will be evaluated highly since it has much positive research behind it. CMC not as much.KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-10640387155594256442006-11-15T00:27:00.000-05:002006-11-15T00:27:00.000-05:00I don't know what to think about the WWC. We homes...I don't know what to think about the WWC. We homeschooled our teenager with Saxon, and it worked really, really, well. Made much more sense to him than the Connected Math his middle school was using. I have to admit I am surprised.<br /><br />What does the WWC say about Connecting Math Concepts or Reading Mastery? Does the WWC like them?<br /><br />JessicaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-75315721485268724162006-11-15T00:10:00.000-05:002006-11-15T00:10:00.000-05:00"Would you accept such a statement from someone to..."Would you accept such a statement from someone touting the benefits of everyday math?" <br /><br />It depends on the quality of the research. A lot of ed "research" is shoddy.<br /><br />See this EM research:<br />http://www.reformk12.com/archives/000028.nclk<br /><br />The Everyday Math materials arrived first. We were very impressed by all the research that they said went into the design of the program. They illustrated their results using four double-line graphsâ€”one line in the graph represented Everyday Math and the other was a control groupâ€”each graph showing pre- and posttest results. <br />But in three of the four graphs the pretest was different from the posttest. This means that before the study, they tested the students using one form of assessment, then after the study they picked a different test entirely! These were the only graphs that appeared that the Everyday Math group did better than the control group, but once you factor in the switcheroo mid-experiment the data becomes meaningless.Legacy Userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783426889426303232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-50605612203832560702006-11-14T20:56:00.000-05:002006-11-14T20:56:00.000-05:00What Works Clearinghouse actually says that Everyd...What Works Clearinghouse actually says that Everyday math has "potentially positive effects." I don't know how the studies were conducted, but this is just not consistent with my child's experience with the program. I know her experience is just anecdotal evidence, but there are too many other kids out there having problems and being tutored. <br /><br />The structure of the EM curriculum just does not make sense to me. I have not used Saxon Math on a consistent basis with my child, so I don't know how good it is. However, I find its clear, direct explanations appealing. <br /><br />I think I prefer Singapore to either program because it has a chapter-based, thematic approach. <br /><br />RobynWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-38695826586057960252006-11-14T20:16:00.000-05:002006-11-14T20:16:00.000-05:00Would you accept such a statement from someone tou...Would you accept such a statement from someone touting the benefits of everyday math?KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-48913022452049312352006-11-14T16:40:00.000-05:002006-11-14T16:40:00.000-05:00A school I know switched from fuzzy math to Saxon ...A school I know switched from fuzzy math to Saxon and scores shot through the roof.<br /><br />Should I believe my eyes or some research?Legacy Userhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16783426889426303232noreply@blogger.com