tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post3890699341676452698..comments2024-03-26T14:44:37.985-04:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: Pennsylvania's High Remediation RatesKDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-8659707083110992762009-03-06T22:36:00.000-05:002009-03-06T22:36:00.000-05:00FYI: As per choice, Penn State is NOT a public un...FYI: <BR/><BR/>As per choice, Penn State is NOT a public university. There are only 14 public universities in PA. PennState only considers itself "public" when it comes to siphoning off funds set aside for true public schools. Otherwise, they feel that it doesn't benefit them in the least. PSU is the largest school in PA, and also one of the largest employers here also. They make their own rules. BTW...this study was conducted by PSU, the PA Dept. of Ed. contracts all research to Penn State (at a sizeable sum of money I might add).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-29712998741152036762009-02-01T10:12:00.000-05:002009-02-01T10:12:00.000-05:00California (and NY, which has a similar system) is...California (and NY, which has a similar system) is the exception, not the rule. Pennsylvania, too, but because Penn State has no large state school competition. There are 24 campuses, with 42,500 enrolled here at the flagship campus, and 90,000 students statewide.rightwingprofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12419372059353408855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-69066738439180628802009-01-30T22:31:00.000-05:002009-01-30T22:31:00.000-05:00Okay.I've heard of Penn State ... I wonder why the...Okay.<BR/><BR/>I've heard of Penn State ... I wonder why the link I found didn't mention it ...<BR/><BR/>-Mark RouloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-76277242501601307232009-01-30T21:30:00.000-05:002009-01-30T21:30:00.000-05:00Dick, I'm not sure racism is implied here (not eve...Dick, I'm not sure racism is implied here (not even sure if you are trying to imply this).<BR/><BR/>Mark, PA has Penn State which has the main campus which most students go to for their last two years and a bunch of satellite schools which feed into the main campus and in which most students attend their first two years of college. Only the most capable students go to the main campus for years oneand two. And, it is a well respected system.<BR/><BR/>Also, when I say selection bias I mean to include all the students who selected themselves out of the public college system and into private cooleges. So, I'd characterize the students who selected themselves into the public school and community school system as mostly not the best students (who selected a private school) and not the worst (the ones who didn't attempt college or who dropped out of high school).KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-6655092347471962532009-01-30T20:50:00.000-05:002009-01-30T20:50:00.000-05:00"It should be noted that there are selection bias ..."<I>It should be noted that there are selection bias issues out the wazoo because PA failed to disaggregate any data.</I>"<BR/><BR/>I think I would be more worried by the self-selection caused by the good students going to different universities than the poor ones.<BR/><BR/>I'm at a bit of a disadvantage here, because I don't know any of the *public* Pennsylvania colleges.<BR/><BR/>From www.passhe.edu, I get a list of 14. The only one I recognize is Slippery Rock (and for its sports teams, not for academics).<BR/><BR/>In California, we have public universities like Cal and UCLA that can and do attract a lot of very good students [Michigan has UMich at Ann Arbor]. Below our UC system we have the CalState system, and below that we have our community colleges.<BR/><BR/>If Pennsylvania doesn't have anything equivalent to California's UC system (and especially a few very good campuses), my fear is that many of the non-remediating students won't show up because they will go to out of state universities or to private universities.<BR/><BR/>Any idea how big an effect this is?<BR/><BR/>-Mark RouloAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-63906230916909563592009-01-30T17:50:00.000-05:002009-01-30T17:50:00.000-05:00Ken says,"they just tell us the percentage of stud...Ken says,"they just tell us the percentage of students in each district that took remedial courses, the number of courses taken, and the amount it cost. Not very helpful."<BR/><BR/>"Not very helpful" is the understatement of the day. But providing ANY info on this front puts PA "above proficiency."<BR/><BR/>Good Work badge for you though, Ken! You squeeze as much blood from the turnip as is possible. and the regression analyses yield useful info.<BR/><BR/>The thing is, this whole notion of "remedial courses" really sucks. And so does the horse that's now pulling the cart: "Response to Intervention." Mis-instruct kids until you can dump them with impunity. And who gets "remediated" the most? Look at your last analysis. <BR/><BR/>We're not in a "post racism era" yet, are we. But we didn't need the regression analyses, the PA data, or NCLB to know that. It's been known throughout the history of the US.<BR/><BR/>The question is how to eliminate the need for "remediation." Yes we can! But whether or not we will remains to be seen.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com