tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post5392997508549701311..comments2024-03-26T14:44:37.985-04:00Comments on D-Ed Reckoning: The Freep doesn't get itKDeRosahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-78302676830206325082007-07-20T21:19:00.000-04:002007-07-20T21:19:00.000-04:00Approximately one percent of U.S. students are con...Approximately one percent of U.S. students are considered mentally retarded. The other 99 percent have the cognitive ability needed to earn a high school diploma. It's not brain surgery.Joanne Jacobshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06801487780819716845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-44999017091923739352007-07-18T09:00:00.000-04:002007-07-18T09:00:00.000-04:00The LCCR is the same group that called for Rod Pai...The LCCR is the same group that called for Rod Paige's resignation based upon misquotes published by Baptist Press. Did they ever retract their accusations, or do they persist in conduct unbecoming a high school graduate?<BR/><BR/>In contrast, the <A HREF="http://www.cccr.org/education/index.cfm" REL="nofollow">Citizens' Commission on Civil Rights</A> is using Gates Foundation money (<A HREF="http://www.gatesfoundation.org/UnitedStates/Education/ResearchAndEvaluation/Grants/Grant-40297.htm" REL="nofollow">$172,515 over 35 months</A>) "to provide public access and understanding of teacher collective bargaining agreements in the nation’s largest public school system, in partnership with the National Council on Teacher Quality." <BR/><BR/>Wonder which one <A HREF="http://www.civilrights.org/about/lccr/coalition_members/#membership" REL="nofollow">includes the NEA in its executive committee</A>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-42915363478578097082007-07-17T19:59:00.000-04:002007-07-17T19:59:00.000-04:00Well this is old home week.It would probably make ...Well this is old home week.<BR/><BR/>It would probably make for a more credible case if some of the factors being measured and being used to discriminate the various populations could be described with some degree of rigor.<BR/><BR/>For instance, what's being measured when a kid takes an IQ test? The number of neurons? The number of synapses? Some more arcane quantity? <BR/><BR/>I'd like to think that a score on an IQ test means something other then the number of correct versus incorrect answers but if that's so, why all the reticence about revealing the quantity being measured? And if an IQ test does measure the ability to take IQ tests doesn't the circularity of the logic result in dizziness?<BR/><BR/>Also, what's this "race" thing that everyone seems so obsessed with? <BR/><BR/>Is there some DNA test that'll determine what IQ distribution applies by determining race or is the "squint" method used to identify race? And how tight is the coupling between the critical genetic characteristics and applicable IQ distribution? Do specific characteristics have a greater influence over IQ distribution then other racially-identified genetic characteristics or is the coupling to IQ distribution a general characteristic of racially-identifiable individuals? <BR/><BR/>If you look white do you get white IQ scores and if you look black do you get black IQ scores?allenmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02892084607361361603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-16906085423682583032007-07-17T16:10:00.000-04:002007-07-17T16:10:00.000-04:00Sailorman,What in the original post led you to inq...Sailorman,<BR/><BR/>What in the original post led you to inquire as you did?<BR/><BR/>It's as if we were reading two different things.Math Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02674826957527385912noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-82394974605036491422007-07-17T16:09:00.000-04:002007-07-17T16:09:00.000-04:00I am suggesting that different groups have differe...I am suggesting that different groups have <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_%28test_data%29" REL="nofollow">different IQ distributions</A>. There is no serious dispute as the existence of these differences, only as to the cause.<BR/><BR/>Poverty is not a genetic trait, but IQ has a genetic component and there is a trong correlation between low IQ and poverty levels. So you are getting your cause and effect backwards.<BR/><BR/>It is also the case that education does little to affect IQ in the long run. A superior education may temporarily boost IQ, but once that education effect is removed, IQ regresses back to the pre-education level. Few kids get a superior education that this effect is substantial.<BR/><BR/>None of this is controversial outsde of the fringe nutters. Just ask the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve#American_Psychological_Association_task_force_report" REL="nofollow">APA</A>.KDeRosahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06853211164976890091noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-47748368997739117222007-07-17T15:20:00.000-04:002007-07-17T15:20:00.000-04:00What trips them up is not cognitive ability but be...What trips them up is not cognitive ability but behavior, attitude and values. Culture, not genes.Instructivisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01652458042291988959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-25541994.post-69654949707011362672007-07-17T11:06:00.000-04:002007-07-17T11:06:00.000-04:00I'm confused.Are you suggesting that minorities ha...I'm confused.<BR/><BR/>Are you suggesting that minorities have lesser cognitive abilities than whites? That's been fairly well debunked (a la The Bell Curve.)<BR/><BR/>Are you suggesting that poor people are stupid? That hasn't been debunked much, mostly because it makes no sense at the outset: poverty is not a genetic trait.<BR/><BR/>Or are you--deliberately, i assume--using a definition of "intelligence" or "cognitive ability" that conveniently begins AFTER people have acquired their initial learning, and which thus ignores the obvious effect of education?sailormanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14955289920163298760noreply@blogger.com